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    I assume you are referring to Louis CK, yours and Obama's hero?


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    I haven't been posting lately but this subject pulled me in...not in response to either of the previous posts, although it may seem that way, not intended that way, just some thoughts on this subject.

    These assaults are not partisan and shouldn't be viewed through such a lens...they are pervasive, sickening, offensive and in some cases criminal.

    Fox News had Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, Bill Shine, Charles Payne, Eric Bolling, NPR had their senior vice president for news, Michael Oreskes. So what, they are scum.

    To name a few, because the list is long, Dems have Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Mel Reynolds and Eric Massa while the GOP have Denny Hastert, Mark Foley, Mark Souder and Schwarzenegger. So what, they are scum.

    Louis CK, Roy Price, Roy Moore, Bill Cosby, Brett Ratner, Jeremy Piven, Kevin Spacey, Charlie Sheen, Mark Halperin, James Toback, Steven Seagal, Dustin Hoffman, Jeffrey Tambour, Harvey Weinstein...So what, they are scum.

    I don't care who they voted for, who praised them, who they worked for or what party they belong to. What I do care about is that they messed up a lot of people, I care for the victims and I am glad to see every one of them exposed for who they REALLY are and what they've done.

    I USED to love Louis CK, saw him twice...I USED to love Spacey since I saw Glengarry Glen Ross...So what, now they are scum.

    Postscript: Just read Louis CK's statement in response...interesting, takes responsibility, doesn't change a thing for me...scum.
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    Well said Cliche. Too much deflection on the real issue-sexual abuse and harassment.

    I’m reminded of the movie “Swimming With Sharks”, starring Kevin Spacey. Seems the character he plays was not a stretch for him at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliché View Post
    I haven't been posting lately but this subject pulled me in...not in response to either of the previous posts, although it may seem that way, not intended that way, just some thoughts on this subject.

    These assaults are not partisan and shouldn't be viewed through such a lens...they are pervasive, sickening, offensive and in some cases criminal.

    Fox News had Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, Bill Shine, Charles Payne, Eric Bolling, NPR had their senior vice president for news, Michael Oreskes. So what, they are scum.

    To name a few, because the list is long, Dems have Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Mel Reynolds and Eric Massa while the GOP have Denny Hastert, Mark Foley, Mark Souder and Schwarzenegger. So what, they are scum.

    Louis CK, Roy Price, Roy Moore, Bill Cosby, Brett Ratner, Jeremy Piven, Kevin Spacey, Charlie Sheen, Mark Halperin, James Toback, Steven Seagal, Dustin Hoffman, Jeffrey Tambour, Harvey Weinstein...So what, they are scum.

    I don't care who they voted for, who praised them, who they worked for or what party they belong to. What I do care about is that they messed up a lot of people, I care for the victims and I am glad to see every one of them exposed for who they REALLY are and what they've done.

    I USED to love Louis CK, saw him twice...I USED to love Spacey since I saw Glengarry Glen Ross...So what, now they are scum.

    Postscript: Just read Louis CK's statement in response...interesting, takes responsibility, doesn't change a thing for me...scum.
    Amen.

    I will say that Bill Cosby really hurt. I loved that man. I listened to his comedy records when I was a kid and loved them. I watched him on Fat Albert, then Picture Pages, and then the Cosby Show, and felt like he was almost another father figure. I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in a celebrity's fall from grace.

    I will also say that we, as a culture, need to re-examine the way we elevate people to celebrity or political status. You see this at every level--from community theater directors to high school football players to leaders of nations. We are frequently creating a culture of impunity around those we admire or those we place in power.

    I'm not sure how to stop it, or if we can stop it. Perhaps some of it is ingrained in our human species. But I do think that we can start by holding on to a healthy amount of skepticism of those who are elevated and praised by large numbers of people. Use your brains. Be reasonable. And for God's sake, put down the People Magazine, turn off the Hollywood gossip shows, and turn off the idiot talking heads on cable news.

    Rant over. I am just disgusted, and I know we can do better.

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    And in other news, POS Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III channels Peter Gabriel....

    "Stop staring at me like a bird of prey
    I'm all mixed up, I got nothing to say
    I don't remember
    I don't remember
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything at all
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything
    Anything at all
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything at all
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything
    Absolutely anything at all
    I don't remember"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenly Ellynby View Post
    I will say that Bill Cosby really hurt. I loved that man. I listened to his comedy records when I was a kid and loved them. I watched him on Fat Albert, then Picture Pages, and then the Cosby Show, and felt like he was almost another father figure. I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in a celebrity's fall from grace.
    My brothers and I must have listened to Cosby's Greatest Hits albulm (thanks Columbia Record club) over a thousand times...Oops, Hofstra...yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliche
    My brothers and I must have listened to Cosby's Greatest Hits albulm (thanks Columbia Record club) over a thousand times...Oops, Hofstra...yep.


    ...and what the heck do I do with the 5 Bill Cosby records I have, anyway? Sell them for pennies? Burn them? Hold on to them?

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    So happy "Make America Great Again" is 10 months in and happening before our very eyes on every Economic front.
    Proof in the economic data.
    My health insurance premium is going up 94% in 2018. #MAGA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnesoter View Post
    My health insurance premium is going up 94% in 2018. #MAGA.
    I suddenly feel lucky that mine only went up 32% with another 1k tacked on for deductibles. Most of the large increases this year were because they expected Trump to cut the subsidies, so now you and I are paying for the subsidized premiums. I didn't like the ACA when it came out, but I now blame Trump vs. Obama for this mess.

    I love my job, but it makes me think I need to go back to big corporate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perplexed View Post
    but I now blame Trump vs. Obama for this mess. .

    Blame the guy that planted the bomb. Not the guy that watched it explode.

    #fakeblame

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    Quote Originally Posted by middlein87 View Post
    Blame the guy that planted the bomb. Not the guy that watched it explode.

    #fakeblame
    “Together we’re going to deliver real change that once again puts Americans first. That begins with immediately repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare … You’re going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost—and it’s going to be so easy.” — Campaign rally in Florida, October, 2016

    #fakepromise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minnesoter View Post
    “Together we’re going to deliver real change that once again puts Americans first. That begins with immediately repealing and replacing the disaster known as Obamacare … You’re going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost—and it’s going to be so easy.” — Campaign rally in Florida, October, 2016

    #fakepromise
    "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

    "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."

    "I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

    "If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. You keep your plan. You keep your doctor.


    "if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan — you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."
    "


    "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."


    "If you like your current plan, you will be able to keep it. Let me repeat that: If you like your plan, you'll be able to keep it."

    "Reform will keep the government out of your health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your coverage if you're happy with it."

    "I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I've proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody. Nobody is talking about you forcing … to change your plans."

    "A key point to remember is that while the Act makes many changes to the individual market, it specifically allows those who want to keep their current insurance to do so. Most of the Act’s protections apply only to new policies, allowing people to stick with their current plan if they prefer."
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    "We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good. Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

    #fakepresident

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    Quote Originally Posted by middlein87 View Post
    "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

    "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."

    "I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

    "If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. You keep your plan. You keep your doctor.


    "if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan — you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."
    "


    "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."


    "If you like your current plan, you will be able to keep it. Let me repeat that: If you like your plan, you'll be able to keep it."

    "Reform will keep the government out of your health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your coverage if you're happy with it."

    "I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I've proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody. Nobody is talking about you forcing … to change your plans."

    "A key point to remember is that while the Act makes many changes to the individual market, it specifically allows those who want to keep their current insurance to do so. Most of the Act’s protections apply only to new policies, allowing people to stick with their current plan if they prefer."
    whataboutism.

    I voted for Trump because he promised to reduce healthcare costs. He's failing at that.

    Not sure why you're bringing up Obama's failures as a response to criticism about Trump.

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