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    What is the point of saving that building?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    What is the point of saving that building?
    No good reason. The stupidity of the Village even entertaining it is STAGGERING. Village is going to co-sign, then give the group 5 freakin years to raise $400K. And then what?? If one reads the feasibility study, that is just to stabilize the building...that is not money to actually refurbish it for use. It sits for 5 more years while they raise money to save it, and if they do, it will not be for use. Good use of our tax money.

    There is the 2013 adaptive feasibility study here:
    http://www.dupageforest.com/uploaded...NAL_131119.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    What is the point of saving that building?

    People prefer to live in areas that value their unique character and are willing to invest in quality of life. If one looks at the area communities that most residents wish us to emulate, Hinsdale, Winnetka, etc, ...these are exactly the types of projects that are invested in. Later, when used for specific events or open access parkland/amenities they pay huge dividends with word of mouth and pictures travelling fast & wide down the social circuit vines. The town then becomes desirable because of these unique, quaint and full of character offerings.

    For the short-sighted penny conscious and pound foolish - there are plenty of towns that will pinch tight and maximize revenue. Rosemont, Schaumburg, Bolingbrook all have that mindset. Best part? Anyone wanting that kind of management would stand a good chance of rolling out of their GE house and into one of those towns while pocketing money and increasing square footage. Bonus: they're also quicker to get around in because all the streets are twice as wide as here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jombl View Post
    People prefer to live in areas that value their unique character and are willing to invest in quality of life. If one looks at the area communities that most residents wish us to emulate, ...
    Except when it comes to property tax revenues for local schools? D41 has no control over the tax base.
    How low does the "Vote No" group want to drive down revenues and spending on elementary education?

    Exactly how is D41 spending "out of control"??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliché View Post
    No good reason. The stupidity of the Village even entertaining it is STAGGERING. Village is going to co-sign, then give the group 5 freakin years to raise $400K. And then what??
    The last time the village did this, the group couldn't make any more payments and the village covered the loan. Surely someone on the board remembers that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTM View Post
    The last time the village did this...
    What year was that?

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    Is this the park district or the village?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jombl View Post
    What year was that?
    2010. Article is here:

    An anonymous $200,000 donation appears to have helped the Glen Ellyn Historical Society retain control of a lot east of the historic Stacy's Tavern, leaving the lot open to house a possible history park.

    That and the donation of a portion of a nearby lot in Stacy's Corners to the village will eliminate most of the $1.4 million debt the local historic society owes the village.

    Last month, the village's finance commission, following a six-month study, recommended the lot near Stacy's Tavern be developed, possibly as a strip mall.

    The $200,000 donation would be used by the commission to pay the village back for the property at 820 N. Main St., which sits just east of Stacy's Tavern museum.

    But the commission also will give the village a large portion of its property, a partially unoccupied strip mall at 810-816 N. Main St., to whittle down the $1.4 million debt on the land.

    A tentative agreement with the village would leave the historic society with a 50-foot strip of that property that leads from Stacy's Tavern to the Glen Ellyn History Center, 800 N. Main St. In return, the village will eliminate the group's debt on the property.

    With the donation and $230,000 of reserve funds, the total remaining debt would stand at $56,053, a total the village has said it will excuse.

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    Don't forget the fact the village did eminent domain on the property in the first place.....still amazing you can eminent domain commercial property providing property tax revenue and turn it into a park...

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    Yes, 2010. That was an unusually tough period to raise money as a significant portion of the town turned over or vacated. Fear was everywhere.

    I don't believe that's a representative snapshot that can be used forever as a warning against community investment. The McKee house and it's unique setting are so rare as to be worth the investment - irreplaceable and could never be recreated.

    For an example of what is possible, check out this link to Hinsdale Parks & Recreation's Katherine Legge Memorial Lodge. It's a great venue, of a type not all that uncommon in upscale communities, and is exactly the kind of charming and unique amenity that draws selective urbane home buyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jombl View Post

    For an example of what is possible, check out this link to Hinsdale Parks & Recreation's Katherine Legge Memorial Lodge. It's a great venue, of a type not all that uncommon in upscale communities, and is exactly the kind of charming and unique amenity that draws selective urbane home buyers.
    From a 2014 Trib article

    Staff has been working over the last several years to increase the number of rental events at the English cottage-style structure, which was built in 1927 and designed by R. Harold Zook.

    Revenue at the facility had dipped in some recent years, but is now on the upswing. Revenue was $173,670 in 2008-2009; $157,029 in 2009-2010; $148,859 in 2010-2011; $121,311 in 2011-2012; $145,382 in 2012-2013; $158,000 in 2013-2014; and $171,919 to date for 2014-2015.

    The financial year ends April 30.

    With operating and capital expenses taken into account, the facility has run at a deficit in four of the last five years. The greatest net income loss was $59,821 in 2011-2012.
    No thanks.

    And Churchill Woods is not exactly Legge Park.

    Is this your proposed use? Rental facility?

    Didn't we just drop a bunch of money into the Boathouse so that it can be exactly that - a better rental draw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by middlein87 View Post
    From a 2014 Trib article



    No thanks.

    And Churchill Woods is not exactly Legge Park.

    Is this your proposed use? Rental facility?

    Didn't we just drop a bunch of money into the Boathouse so that it can be exactly that - a better rental draw?
    We did, it only holds 120 sitting down.

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    C'mon. Real facts and not candy coated wishes. Old isn't always good.

    I've been in K. Legge Lodge -- and our organization that rented it paid dearly to hold an event there. Historic (I guess), and charming (it was), and the grounds were spectacular (it was at night - I can only guess the grounds were spectacular). Memorable, to this day, and that was ~20 years ago. Truly a jewel in Hinsdale's kingdom, really. McKee is absolutely not in the same league. I would continue to be embarrassed if any government group in Glen Ellyn decided to do anything with this property other than raise it and be done with it. A dollar not spent there is a dollar spent better someplace else.

    Has anyone in this long standing thread found anything worthy of keeping this place standing? Read the thread. No? I didn't think so. The very people that support the building can't even come up with a historic reason to keep it other than it is old and people once lived there.

    If someone can come up with an argument that holds true that McKee can generate BIG positive revenue going forward that is way way above the hundreds of thousands of dollars (out of all of our pockets) put into that dead horse, then I'll listen. Without a convincing plan, then I'll call anyone on the Board that votes to keep it standing a complete idiot.

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    Preservationists: Time needed to save McKee House (link) — Daily Herald

    Preservationists, or progress hoarders, the place has been abandoned for 20 years, how much more time do you need? Headline should read: "Preservationists: Money needed to save McKee House"

    "A proposal to have Glen Ellyn lease the historic McKee House at Churchill Woods Forest Preserve has preservationists concerned because they would be given less than two years to raise $400,000 to restore the building. Glen Ellyn trustees on Monday are scheduled to talk about a proposed intergovernmental agreement with the Forest Preserve District of DuPage County during a regular workshop meeting.

    If the deal becomes a reality, Glen Ellyn would lease two fleet maintenance buildings at Churchill Woods for 50 years. The $1-a-year lease also would include the McKee House, an 81-year-old limestone building that's considered one of the most endangered historic places in Illinois. The village would benefit from the arrangement because it could use the maintenance facilities to store salt, equipment and vehicles. Other options the village has considered for salt storage would cost $600,000 to $1.2 million, officials said.

    Under the proposal, the village would give private groups five years to restore the buildings. However, the groups would be given an April 1, 2019, deadline to raise $400,000 for the project. If that deadline isn't met, the village would demolish the structures.

    "In other words, they would like to see us fail," said Linda Gilbert with the nonprofit McKee Preservation Group, which is trying to raise money to restore the building."

    Decorum does not allow me to comment on that quote.

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    Good point-If in the past 20 years the Preservationist haven't raised the funds, I doubt they will in the next 5 years.

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    Glen Ellyn approves McKee House lease agreement (link) (Suburban Life)

    Glen Ellyn trustees are moving ahead with an effort to preserve the 81-year-old McKee House as part of a proposed lease agreement between the village and the Forest Preserve District of DuPage County, which owns the limestone building.

    Trustees and Village President Alex Demos on May 1 voted unanimously to approve the lease agreement with the Forest Preserve District. The McKee House, which was built in 1936 for the district, is located on the Glen Ellyn-Lombard border in Churchill Woods, and it has been vacant since 2002. District staff members have recommended the building be razed because of the high cost to repair it.

    As proposed, the village would be responsible for all restoration, maintenance repairs and improvements to the buildings. The agreement would allow the village to sublease the buildings to the Glen Ellyn Park District, College of DuPage and Glen Ellyn Historical Society.

    The cost to raze the McKee House is estimated at between $30,000 and $50,000. The cost to stabilize the house is estimated at $230,000, and renovating the structure is estimated to cost anywhere from $1.3 million to $2 million, Franz said.

    The property is located within the village limits of Lombard. The village of Glen Ellyn plans to annex the property by April 1, 2019. Lombard officials support the idea, Franz said.

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